Where can I find a multi-tube VED to treat Peryronies disease?

I have been diagnosed with Peyronies disease. It came on very quickly.

I work as a consultant. I am 62 years old. Until recently I enjoyed a very energetic sex life. I began to notice around May of last year pain when I acquired an erection.  My penis remained straight despite the pain. I was able to ejaculate and erection was not a problem.

I was on a job. My wife visited me mid October last year.  Then she went home. I had two more weeks until the job ended. I decided to wait until I returned to California and give my penis a chance to heal.  During first sex after two week layoff my penis was bent to the left. I was stunned.  I can feel the hard areas along the left side of my penis. My urologist suggested vacuum therapy.

I bought a device with a large tube that still permits my penis to bend.  I am an engineer.  To me this is just teaching my penis to continue bending. Now I learn there is multi-tube device and suggested therapy.

Where is this mythical multi-tube device ?

Thanks,

John K.

Greetings John K,

I do not endorse the idea if using a vacuum erection device (VED).   You can read this information in Peyronie's disease treatment with vacuum pump (VED).  

Over the years I have encountered too many men who had negative experiences after using the VED, either causing injury that resulted in Peyronie's disease or they noted that the device simply made the penis larger than usual for a few minutes but did not help the actual problem of PD.  The fundamental issue of Peyronie's disease is not the penile curvature weak or erections of Peyronie's disease that get your attention.  The real problem of PD that causes all the other nasty problems that you are experiencing is due to the existence of the Peyronie's scar inside the shaft of the penis.  Using a VED will not get rid of the Peyronie's scar; it will only stretch the tissue temporarily.

As an engineer I am sure you are familiar with the concept of trying to apply traction to a material that has rigid and less rigid areas; the traction force will be absorbed by the less rigid areas and will not allow the more rigid area to be stretched by the traction force.  This is the fallacy of the VED concept to treat Peyronie's disease, as well as the mechanical penis stretcher or extender devices.   This idea was discussed in some depth in a post I wrote called My Peyronie’s disease started after I tried to straighten my curved penis with a penis stretcher, should I use another one?  I would appreciate a comment or two from you concerning the engineering and physics principles that are discussed in this post. 

As far as where you can get a double-walled VED device, I can only suggest that you speak to a urologist who advocates the VED idea. The problem with the double-walled VED is that while it does not allow for the lateral bending of the distorted PD penis (which is good), it also does not allow for the expansion or stretching of the tissue (which is not good on one hand since this is supposed to be how this device is purported to help PD, but is good because it is less likely to injure the penis while it is being used). 

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Overall, it is my opinion the VED is not an effective therapy for Peyronie's disease. Note, that it is not only my idea that the VED is not a great Peyronie's therapy; many urologists are against their use for the same reasons I cite.   Having said that, you will note that makers of the VED and those MDs who advocate the penis pump product for PD will point to a few positive published research reports for the VED.  My answer to those positive VED research reports is the same concerning the thousands of positive research reports for hundreds of new drugs that come out annually.  These hundreds of new drugs, because of the positive research behind them, receive FDA approval each year .  And each year hundreds of them are taken off the market in a year or two after they are proven worthless or injure hundreds of people in the short time they are used.  TRH

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How should I use the VED (Vacuum Erection Device) my urologist prescribed as a Peyonies treatment?

I have PD and I have a suction device I've been using with little recommendation regarding usage technique from my urologist.

What is your suggestion regarding this device? If it's recommended that I continue to use it, how often and for how long each time? Is this included in your book about treatment recommendations?

Ralph 68 years old
Cape Coral, Fl

 

Greetings Ralph,

My first thought is that I would take a very dim view of a doctor who prescribes a type of treatment to you but does not tell you how to use it.  This does not indicate that the doctor is working very hard to help you, and this is not good.  If this urologist does not extend time and effort to you in this small and basic way, what about other areas of your treatment?

The suction device you mention is a Vacuum Erection Device or VED, or as some men call it, a vacuum pump.    Some men report help and other men report no help from use of a VED.    Many men use a VED because it is reported to increase the size  of the penis, and injure themselves with it.   I learn from many of these men that their PD started with the use of a VED.   For this reason I am against men who already have Peyronie's disease to use it as a form of Peyronies treatment.  There is too much ease and opportunity to injure the delicate tissue that is already injured by using one of these devices.  For more information see Peyronie's disease treatment with vacuum pump (VED).  TRH 

Benefit of VED for treatment of Peyronie’s disease?

Dr. Herazy,

Do you recommend or see any benefits for using a Vacuum Erection Device (VED) for the treatment of early stage Peyronie's Disease when the patient has no difficulty achieving a normal erection by sexual stimulation?


Greetings,

Generally, like with most things related to Peyronies, I find men saying different things about the VED; some say it helps and some say it does not and others say it caused their PD.  The greatest limitation I find is that whatever stretching of the penile tissue occurs using the VED is too general.  To do any good in Peyronie's disease treatment the stretching must occur only and specifically at the site of the scar, not the entire organ.  To do this I developed the Peyronie's Disease Institute Manual Penis Stretching Method described in this video.    

Another way to look at the subject  of the VED is in regard to the current level of injury and vulnerability of your penile tissue at this time.  You already have a problem, and the problem often starts from a very small injury – sometimes so small that it goes unnoticed.  The VED will apply perhaps up to 100 PSI to your tissue; enough to often break blood vessels and tear tissue.  This amount of force applied to the penis that already has shown a tendency to over-respond to injury by creating excess scar tissue does not sound like a good idea to me.  TRH

Peyronie’s disease treatment with vacuum pump (VED)

Vacuum Erection Device (VED) and Peyronie's Disease

Every now and then I am asked about the use of a VED,  vacuum pump or Vacuum Erection Device to treat the curved penis of Peyronie’s disease.  Many men are encouraged about a VED because their medical doctor has suggested it, or they have read something written on the Internet saying that it is a good Peyronie’s disease treatment.  Some of the more outlandish ads even say a VED is a Peyronie’s cure. A Vacuum Erection Device is a clear plastic cylinder chamber that is open at one end, and is placed over the penis and held tightly against the skin of the lower abdomen.  At the other end of the VED is a simple air pump that removes the air inside the cylinder once the penis is inside it. The air is removed from the chamber so that the bent penis is affected by the negative atmospheric pressure inside.  As a result, the negative pressure causes more blood than normal to enter the penis and an unusually large erection develops. This grater than average enlargement is said to be able to stretch the deeper tissue of the penis and reduce the penis curvature. The effect is temporary, but impressive.  A VED will give you an erection larger than you have ever had before, although it will not last more than a few hours outside the chamber, and any tissue changes that the stretching produces are equally temporary. The effects of reduced atmospheric pressure on tissue can be demonstrated by the "love kiss" or "hickey" that is created by placing the mouth over an area of skin (classically the neck), and forcefully sucking the tissue for just a short while.  Within seconds the blood vessels of the area are so dilated –  and often ruptured –  that a bruised mark is left in the area that will last for several days.  The Vacuum Erection Device does something similar to the entire penis.  It dilates all the tissue, allows more blood to enter the penis for as long as it is held in place, and it can also result in ruptured blood vessels and injury to the delicate tunica albuginea.  This kind of tissue reaction can be a catastrophe for someone who already has Peyronies.

VED can cause Peyronie's disease

In my time communicating with men who have Peyronie’s disease, I have found a surprisingly large percent of them who state their initial injury that resulted in their Peyronies can be traced back to use of a VED.  These are the men who started out simply wanting to increase their penile dimensions, and injured themselves to the point that Peyronie’s disease developed.  While there are a few men who say a VED helps them, there are many more who say it does not. The danger with a penile vacuum pump is in the overuse or abuse of such a device.  The theory behind the therapeutic use of the VED is to slowly and gently stretch the scar tissue and soften it.  That does not appear to happen, because the normal tissue does indeed stretch, but the Peyronie’s disease plaque tissue does not.  As a result a man finds that he has a temporarily larger penis that is less able to reach a normal full erection – and it still has the same Peyronie’s disease plaque or scar, and/or curve, he had before. When a man uses a VED he will either overuse the device, taking the very real risk of injuring the penile tissue even more, or he will temporarily enlarge the penis but injure the vascular mechanism so that his erection is not as rigid as before.  What he winds up with is a large soft penis that is rather ineffective in intercourse.  You definitely can create an artificial erection with a pump, but there are often damaging consequences to a VED that causes men to quickly stop using it once they see all the drawbacks. Many people ask for my advice about a “penis pump.”   Here is the basic problem with the VED:   You and I have both definitely proven that we have penile tissue that is susceptible to injury and when injured (and even when not injured), we can develop an excess scar reaction.  If you injure the penis by over-stretching, as is easy to do since there is no way to know at what point is the point of over-stretching, you will create more Peyronies plaque material.   Most men will probably over use the VED just because they get excited when they see the results the device can produce temporarily.  If you are prone to Peyronie’s disease anyway, this kind of tissue stretching can be a disaster.  The only way you can safely use a VED is to not over use it; the problem is there is no way to know what is over use and abuse until it is too late. From my experience with countless men, my opinion is that it is simply better to avoid the temptation and pass on the Vacuum Erection Device.  It can cause a lot more problems than the small and temporary change in Peyronie’s disease is worth. Send along your questions concerning Peyronie’s treatment under the “Ask Dr. Herazy…” heading, or reply to this particular article in the space below.