Heads You Win, Tails You Don’t Lose with Natural Peyronie’s Treatment

Heads You Win, Tails You Don't Lose with Natural Peyronie's Treatment

Logic and scientific basis for natural Peyronie's care

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Anything you do for your Peyronie’s disease – even if what you do is to do nothing – is a choice and a calculated gamble.

Peyronie's Disease Institute's opinion is that it is smart to use the best of what is known and available while the truth about PD is still being debated. If what you do makes a difference to your Peyronie's disease, look what you gained. If your Peyronie's disease natural treatment effort does not help your PD, you did not harm yourself and chances are the various therapies at least benefited your overall health and well-being.

Commentary:  Standard medical "wait-and-see treatment" of Peyronie's disease, click Peyronie's Disease and Man Whose House is on Fire.

This website offers a base of information to create a personal treatment plan with reasonable possibility to improve your opportunity for success, based on the synergy of using multiple therapies yet with minimal risk since none of these treatments are inherently dangerous. With so many simple, safe and sensible things that often work, even though none of them have full scientific proof and acceptance, you have a reasonable chance to increase your tissue’s ability to heal and repair your PD. Even if these therapies do not help your PD, there is only remote chance any of them could do harm. This is not true of medical therapies. Peyronie's Disease Institute uses therapies that are refinements of substances normally and naturally found in your tissues – vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and amino acids. None of the therapies we propose are foreign or invasive in nature.

If you are successful in supporting your health sufficiently, and your tissue responds by healing your PD – you win. If you are not successful in supporting your health sufficiently or early enough to adequately make the changes or improvement in your PD as you hoped – you don't lose. There are no known side-effects to the elements of this treatment plan, and you improved your eating habits, improved your nutrition input, exercised more, probably removed some plaque from your arterial walls, probably lowered your blood pressure, probably noticed that your blood circulation was improved and your hands and feet are not cold as they were before, and probably witnessed general improvement in your overall health or elimination of your curved penis – you don't lose.

To read success stories, click on Peyronie's disease treatment testimonials.

Peyronie's treatment and your odds for success

If after following an aggressive and scientifically based alternative program of care your PD does not respond, as can certainly happen, then Peyronie's disease surgery can still be performed. It seems logical that the PDI approach to managing PD is a safe way to use the time that the average MD would suggest that you do nothing to help yourself. Most conservative thought would be favorable to spending a few dollars and reasonable effort to reduce the need for an eventual surgical procedure. The person with a cold takes vitamin C to increase the function of his immune response, and expects to shorten the time he is ill. The person who has a broken bone and takes a calcium supplement, or the person who is anemic and takes some extra iron, or wants to build up some additional muscle tissue and takes some extra protein, is thought to be sensible and intelligent.

The Peyronie's Disease Institute tactic of aggressively using widely acceptable nutritional information and science in a Peyronie's disease treatment plan is not much different. These measures have been reported to improve the ability of the body to heal and repair PD in certain studies — and could increase the odds you could be in the 50% group that eventually recovers from Peyronie's disease.

Peyronie’s Disease Treatment Question

Common question about Peyronie’s treatment

Every now and then someone emails a question to me about an herbal Peyronie’s disease treatment (ginkgo biloba, echinacea), a micronutrient (coenzyme Q, EPA), or an old home remedy (garlic, castor oil, olive oil) that might be used as a Peyronie’s disease cure.  Along a similar line, I am sometimes asked if I know anything about a legendary Peyronie’s treatment known as Thacker’s formula, what I would think about using the treatment, and why does this treatment not appear in the PDI lineup of therapies?

In order for any therapy or procedure to be included in the PDI lineup of 14 potential Peyronie’s treatments, it has to have either been applied specifically in treatment of PD in a series of scientific studies and proven at least 50% effective in several trials (even though it might have done poorly in others), or it must have demonstrated good success and acceptance within the scientific community for treatment of other unrelated health problems (acupuncture and homeopathy).  With this simple criterion we establish some level of scientific credibility for those therapies in our PDI lineup, and further increase the possible effectiveness of therapy when several of these are united in a synergistic program of care.

There are probably some really good Peyronie’s disease treatment ideas that that could be actually very effective.  But who among us wants to waste his time, effort, energy, money, and most importantly, his opportunity to get over his Peyronie’s disease by experimenting with theories that have absolutely no proven ability to influence the body to promote healing? I did not want to waste my time on theories of questionable merit, when I knew there were many available that had already achieved some level of success.  This last group seemed to be a better place to look for answers, than chasing unproven ideas.

Edgar Cayce’s castor oil pack might indeed be an effective Peyronies’ disease treatment, but for one reason or another it has not been subjected to even minimal scrutiny for PD.  The goal of recovering from Peyronies is too great to use an untried treatment, when there are so many others of higher credibility and logic to work with.

PDI was started on the basis of using treatments of some level of known and proven merit, and uses this standard today to determine what additions will be recommended and used in future therapy plans.  Rumors, stories, and speculation you read about on a Peyronie’s forum is not enough.  Alternative Medicine employs early science to see through the maze of superstition and learn the truth of what may or may not work to regain health.  These are the principles used to formulate the current Peyronie’s disease treatment strategies you have learned about.  We are already working on the outer rim of established medical practice, but we must be careful to not go too far away from common sense and valuable scientific information that will help us achieve our health goals.

Usually, my suggestion for someone who wants to use such a new Peyronie’s treatment is to do it in combination with several other known and better proven therapies already in the PDI lineup.  This way there is back-up treatment, and the total effort will create a therapeutic synergy.  Never is it suggested to use only the one therapy of any type, proven or unproven.

So, if you are just adding in an extra type of therapy because you read about it on a Peyronie’s forum, I say, all the more power to your curiosity and sense of adventure, but please do not have that constitute the majority of what you do for yourself.

Try not to become so desperate that you grab at straws. There is a lot of good information about sensible Peyronie’s disease treatment I can offer if you need help with your rehabilitation program.

Peyronie’s cure or treatment is where you find It

Looking at Peyronie’s treatment differently

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While it is generally agreed there is no such thing as a Peyronies cure, PDI has shown since 2002 that it is certainly possible to reverse the curved penis of Peyronie’s disease with Alternative Medicine when it is done in the correct way.  This concept is so different than what is promoted on the internet it could be called a new Peyronie's treatment methodology.

Peyronie’s disease is primarily concerned with the dreaded fibrous Peyronie’s plaque or internal scar material that can cause a variable degree of penile curvature, pain, sex problems, and reduced penis size.  Any true Peyronie’s treatment must address the issue of the fibrous scar.  Yet, when men are first diagnosed by a medical doctor they are told there is no known cause of Peyronies disease and no Peyronie’s cure.

Just because the medical profession does not have a drug as a standard Peyronie’s disease treatment, they have assumed the position there is no such thing as a Peyronie’s cure.  For this reason MDs do not like to treat Peyronie’s disease.  The average medical doctor, even a urologist, has few options for anyone with PD, other than Peyronie’s disease surgery – which often has poor results.

Peyronie’s disease treatment

The current accepted Peyronie’s disease treatment in a medical office is to do nothing for the first one or two years, while waiting for the Peyronie’s problem to either get better or worse on its own.  This is the wait-and-see approach to Peyronie’s treatment is frustrating and irritating to any man who wakes up one morning with the curved penis of Peyronies.

While the medical establishment maintains there is no effective Peyronie’s disease treatment, the Peyronie’s Disease Institute has worked since 2002 using Alternative Medicine in a unique way that proves this is not true.  There is a simple and direct method to treat Peyronies disease that is either misunderstood or overlooked by the medical profession.  Those who follow the Peyronie’s Disease Institute treatment concepts sometimes even call it a Peyronie’s cure.

Daily I communicate with angry and defeated men who get no help from the medical profession, who are neglected and given no hope or information to help themselves with their Peyronie’s problem.   Men speak of feeling like Peyronie’s orphans.

One of the basic questions of Peyronie’s treatment is this:  “If my medical doctor says there is nothing that can be done for me, other than surgery, what does that really mean to me?”  For those who are comfortable with thinking independently, they must decide if there are options outside of medicine that the neighborhood MD does not know about, or even care about.

Natural treatment for Peyronie’s disease

The Peyronie's Disease Institute was started in 2002 by Dr. Theodore Herazy after he successfully cured his own severe PD with Alternative Medicine.  His early experiments with herbs, vitamins, minerals, enzymes and other safe natural remedies showed exciting promise for Peyronies help.  Over the years he has guided and counseled hundreds of men each year through the treatment maze toward elimination of the scar and distortion of a Peyronie’s penis.  It is not always an easy assignment, and when it is done incorrectly or without needed gusto it falls short of the desired outcome.   But when a man uses all of the tools available to him in a faithful and aggressive manner, the results can be dramatic and prompt.   It is estimated that about 80% of men with Peyronie’s disease who follow a large plan according to the outline provided on the PDI website, see from moderate to great success in reduction of penile curvature and elimination of the Peyronie’s plaque material.

Even though the medical profession says it can’t be done – it happens anyway because the body knows how to heal itself.  Using the Peyronie's Disease Institute concepts, you will be able to assist and stimulate that natural healing response that some people call a Peyronie’s cure.


Peyronie’s Disease Treatment and Vitamin E


Peyronie’s vitamin E dosage

The usual Peyronie’s disease vitamin E dosage advice from a medical doctor will be to “take no more than 400 IU of vitamin E a day.”   Sometimes this number will be doubled to 800 IU daily by some doctors who are more aggressive with their recommendation.  All of this is of valuable interest because vitamin E is the most commonly recommended non-drug Peyronie’s disease treatment, and very often it is the only non-drug Peyronie’s disease treatment that will be discussed.

Since vitamin E is available in both a synthetic form and a naturally occurring organic form, which form you use determines how much you can safely take.  Eight different members of the vitamin E family, four known as tocopherols and four known as tocotrienols, make up the vitamin E family.  A balanced diet – very difficult to achieve these days – contains all eight members of the vitamin E group.  The most widely found member is known as gamma tocopherol, which works to eliminate nitrogen free radicals and is a very effective anti-inflammatory agent.  Tocotrienols are primarily found in the skin and subdermis where they protect against UV and free radical damage.

Most vitamin E supplements contain only alpha tocopherol because it was thought that only this single part of the family of eight is the most important for Peyronies disease treatment. In fact, most vitamin E skin products contain a small amount of synthetic dl-alpha-tocopheryl acetate.  This means that they contain only one of the eight members of the vitamin E family in the less effective synthetic form. Only products which supply the complete vitamin E family and are particularly rich in gamma tocopherol and tocotrienols in their natural and unesterified form contribute to accelerated wound healing and minimized scarring.  This is why PDI is most insistent on men using a vitamin E therapy that is heavily slanted toward gamma tocopherol and all the tocotrienols.

Peyronie’s and vitamin E controversy

Concern about vitamin E safety during the past decade or so has been due solely to bad publicity in this area, which is based on perpetuation of questionable research and misunderstanding about vitamins.   Faulty research reporting and misinterpretation of findings are the same two reasons for the condemnation of vitamin E supplementation.

First, vitamin E confusion arises from a medical reporting that ignores details of a particular vitamin E study reported in the Annals of Internal Medicine.  The problem is gross generalization or not understanding the vitamin E research study.

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  • Those who took part in this vitamin E research often combined vitamin E with various drugs while they were being studied.  All potential and actual adverse drug reactions to these different drug combinations were not factored in or considered anywhere in the study results.
  • All study participants were elderly people, already being treated for a variety of chronic diseases. The researchers report this as a strong complicating issue, and puts suspicion on all conclusions because these elderly and sick people are far more likely to be taking high doses of vitamin E. They readily admit it is inaccurate to generalize these findings of this group to a healthy, normal, average or younger age group population.
  • This study contained too many variables.  It evaluated many different research studies, all of them used different procedures and protocols such as different vitamin E dosages administered for a widely variable amount of time. They admit they evaluated and combined data from sources that originated and were collected in different ways; they went beyond comparing apples and oranges, they compared grapes and bowling balls.
  • None of the studies reported took the time to report or differentiate chemical immense differences of natural and synthetic vitamin E.
  • Within the scientific community the findings of the original research has been questioned and criticized.

Vitamin E safety

The Annals of Internal Medicine report states vitamin E has a relative risk of 1.05. A relative risk of 1.0 is actually a neutral finding.   This 1.05 risk level is not clinically significant to establish an association between a fatal dose or use high dose vitamin like vitamin E.  Consider that water might have a relative risk of 1.05 in certain situations.

Before taking higher doses of vitamin E for therapeutic benefit, consult a health professional first.  Discuss your health concerns, possible vitamin E side effects, and what dosage of vitamin E might be best for you.  Vitamin E may be deficient in some diets, especially very low fat diets. Most nutrition experts agree that taking vitamin E supplements is safe.

Vitamin E study limitations and problems

Here is a summary of this study presented by those who conducted this study:

The evaluation of high-dosage vitamin E trials in which more than 400 IU of vitamin E was used was often too small to establish accuracy of findings.  This study should not have included elderly patients with one or more chronic diseases, yet they were the primary participants.  It is not clear how to generalize the findings of this study conducted on ill and elderly people to a population of healthy adults.  It is also not clear how to determine the exact dosage at which someone might be at risk of taking too much vitamin E based on this study using ill and elderly people.

In spite of these large obvious flaws and limitations, the conclusion of this study is that any dosage at or above 400 IU daily of vitamin E mayincrease mortality and should be avoided.

Secondly, misunderstanding and confusion exists over the many subtle differences between natural and synthetic vitamin E.  The ultimate error is that natural and synthetic vitamin E will chemically react the same, and that is not true.

Problem #2 – Natural or Synthetic Vitamin E

Natural vitamin E is d-alpha-tocopherol, and synthetic vitamin E is dl-alpha-tocopheryl. Since the names of the chemicals are different you know the chemicals are different.  As the chemicals are different, their reaction is also different in the body.

The Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients reports, “Natural vitamin E supplements outperform synthetic forms, according to a VERIS Research Summary. Results of recent studies suggest that natural vitamin E is more bioavailable and is retained in body tissues significantly longer than synthetic vitamin E. These studies show that previously accepted differences were underestimated and that the bioavailability of natural vitamin E is about twice that of synthetic vitamin E compounds.”

Vegetable oil, specifically soybean oil, is the primary source of naturally occurring vitamin E.  However, synthetic vitamin E is manufactured from petroleum chemicals (yes, the same oil that comes out of the ground, used to make tar, motor oil and gasoline, often linked with cancer).

Doctors are very comfortable and familiar with prescribing synthetic chemicals.  For this reason they are not hesitant to prescribe a synthetic vitamin.  But, the primary difference scientists use to determine toxicity and function within the body is the molecular structure of a compound.

When taking levels of “vitamin E” above 400IU is found to be unsafe, it is because the vitamin E is synthetic and not tolerated well. All biomedical testing proves that within the human structure there is a strong chemical discrimination or preference between natural and synthetic vitamin E.

“Our studies suggest without question that natural vitamin E delivers at least twice the impact as synthetic E,” said Robert Acuff, PhD, Professor and Director, Center for Nutrition Research at East Tennessee State University.  He concludes it is the natural form of vitamin E is obviously the one human tissue was designed to use.  Margaret Traber, Associate Professor at the Linus Pauling Institute, Oregon State University, seems to discriminate between the two forms of vitamin E, reporting that the human body will retain the natural organic form of vitamin E, while rapidly eliminating the synthetic form in the urine and bowel.

It is my opinion that the human organism will tolerate much higher doses of natural vitamin E – provided by Peyronie’s Disease Institute and the Natural Complementary Medicine LLC website – and can tolerate much less synthetic vitamin E available found in lower cost and lower quality products.  For this reason PDI only uses organic and natural vitamin E for use in Peyronie’s disease treatment plans.  Using the kind of vitamin E we have available, many men use levels in the 800IU-1,200IU range while attempting to reduce their Peyronies plaque or scar.

For additional information go to the PDI website at vitamin E.

Treatment for Peyronie’s Disease with Drugs

Medical Peyronie’s disease treatment

Medical treatment for Peyronie’s diseaseis basically limited to simple reduction of pain and hope for some level of sexual function.  Since no known medical treatment of Peyronie’s disease exists, several experimental approaches are used with only half-hearted enthusiasm by the average medical doctor.

Current experimental medical approaches used to treat Peyronie’s disease:

  • COLLAGENASE – Currently being researched as an injection directed into the scar tissue to enzymatically digest and eliminate it.   It is found that repeated injections into the penile tissue can cause Peyronie’s disease, and hence the long term outlook for this method is questionable.
  • POTABA – This is PABA, a B vitamin, with a potassium molecule attached.  PABA is a safe form of Peyronies treatment, but the addition of potassium to the B vitamin requires a large dosage often resulting in severe gastric pain and digestive problems.
  • COLCHICINE – This is a standard gout medication that is used to treat Peyronie’s disease because it is supposed to reduce inflammation and scar formation.  Not many reports of success are evident in the literature, and for this reason this drug is not a very popular Peyronie’s treatment.
  • INTERFERON – A protein that is used because it is thought to disrupt the production and promote the breakdown of collagen.  Of all medications used, this is the least popular Peyronies’ disease treatment.
  • VERAPAMIL – A drug normally used to treat high blood pressure. Can be administered topically in gel form over several months, or is directly injected into the plaque in a series of 8-20 shots into the penile tissue. This drug, in either form, is also less popular than it was when first introduced several years ago due to poor clinical results.
  • STEROIDS – This is the same common drug used for many conditions, basically because of its anti-inflammatory ability.
  • RADIATION – In low dosage thought to reduce pain, and no other benefit to Peyronie’s treatment.   Can lead to other problems of excess radiation.
  • SURGERY – Because the body does spontaneously resolve about 50% of Peyronie’s disease cases without any treatment or medical intervention, surgery should not be considered for at least one or two years following onset of signs and symptoms of the disease.  Peyronies surgery is used only in severe cases, because it is not uncommon for surgery to make Peyronie’s disease worse or lead to complications that are worse than the original problem.

Most men who contact the Peyronie’s Disease Institute have already tried one or more of the above treatments, and are still looking for Peyronie’s help.  The philosophy to treat Peyronie’s disease is simply to treat the man who has the Peyronie’s scar so he is better able to eliminate and correct his own problem – just as happens with the 50% of men who spontaneously heal their own Peyronies scar without any help from anyone.

The basic approach used by the Peyronie’s Disease Institute is to use as many well-researched Alternative Medicine therapies as possible so as to support the natural healing ability of the body.  This can be done with vitamin E and C, acetyl-L-carnitine, PABA, dietary guidance, gentle manual soft tissue stretching of the scar tissue, DMSO, copper peptides, and others.   For more details click Treatment for Peyronie’s Disease and you will see how easy it is to take control of your future.