Winter 2010 I used a penis extender for around 1.5 months (4-6 hours each day or less), where I probably made an injury on the left side (too hard penis with too hard stretch), just below the glans.
I realize now that I probably have had congenital curved penis all my life.
When my penis is rock hard, it curves 30-40 degrees to the left. I think it was less before Winter 2010 when I started using the penis extender.
I wonder if it could have been possible that I didn't injure the penis, but bigger curve at the glans is due to longer extension on the right side compared to the left side (because of scar tissue on the left side) ?
Seriously, I didn't think so much about the curve before, so the curve might only have been congenital before this likely injury. I went to an urologist in May and he indicated that I maybe have had a little injury on the tunica albuginea (which makes the overall curve bigger).
In December I started to use an extender again, with the use of XXXXXX, said to work specifically for PD. I stopped after 34 total effective days (9 h each day) as I have read some studies where they have used Verapamil injections before usage of an extender. In one study the curvature went from 30 to 0 and lengthened with 1.5 cm 🙂 I stopped using the extender 10 days ago.
Is this something you recommend? To remove the plaque first and then start using the extender after the plaque has been removed? Because it is speculated that some of the reasons the lengthening is shorter with PD, is because of the plaque. I have just started to use DMSO and SSKI (both topical), and will start to use Serrapeptase and Nattokinase as well. I see on this site that you also recommend Neprinol and some copper + +.
I have another question, so I may have to call you for more clearance; when the plaque diminished, will it leave an empty area in the flesh, maybe making the curvature worse and the penis shortened?
Peyronies disease is not just having plaque, but also having one side shorter than the other. It is then vital to use an extender so the shortest side can catch up the longest side, right?
I`m 31, which package do you recommend to me?
First of all, I removed the name of the penis stretcher product from your email because I think all of them are dangerous, as you have already shown us by reporting you injured yourself with one. I wish to not promote these contraptions in any way. The name of your particular device is not important because none of them are different from the others in any important or meaningful way. All cars are fundamentally the same because all have a motor, seats, windows, wheels and a steering wheel; in that sense they are all identical in their basic design. The same can be said of penis stretchers. They all have a clamping device that holds the penis at or near the head, a base that is held against the pubic region, a pair of extendable threaded rods that lengthen the device while it is worn on the penis, a book of instructions that tells you what to do if you develop blisters and skin erosion while using the extender, and surgical wool and antibiotic ointment to keep you from hurting yourself further.
You are a rare man. I have communicated with very few men who are able to wear a penis extender device for more than a short while; some could not wear one for even 10 minutes. I have worked with many men who told me they could only put it on only one time and threw it away because of pain and apparent injury. Many of those men who persisted in spite of the pain and superficial tissue erosion caused by these stretchers soon developed Peyronie's disease. Some men put a penis stretcher on only one time for 30-60 minutes and then never again because they next day they have signs of early penis injury, and later demonstrate full blown Peyronie's disease.
It seems the prolonged pressure from the head clamp causes local tissue anoxia (oxygen starvation) deep within the penis tissue; this is probably what happened to you. When there is a lack of blood circulation in the penis caused by smashing it down with the clamp of the penis extender, blood circulation is cut off and a lack of oxygen occurs where the head is compressed. This is very much like what happens when a tourniquet is worn too tight or for too long – the lack of oxygen caused by poor blood flow will kill tissue. Any good boy scout or soldier learns that even if your arm or leg is severely cut you must periodically release the tourniquet – even if hemorrhaging starts again – so that fresh blood can deliver oxygen into the injured limb. If this is not done the entire limb can become damaged and gangrene can develop. But you report in one area of your email that you wore yours for 4-6 hours daily for six weeks, and you state later you wore another penis stretcher for nine hours daily for 34 days. That is incredible. If you were a boy scout you would have flunked the first aid class for leaving the “tourniquet” on for far too long. No wonder you developed PD.
You state your congenital penis curvature is now worse than it was before you started using your first penis stretcher; your bent penis now curves 30-40 degrees to the left, more than before using the stretcher. You think that the solution to the problem caused by the first penis stretcher is to use a second penis stretcher. I do not agree with your thinking, and I will explain why later.
Please think about this statement I am about to make because it is very important in helping you to understand why you have injured your penis, and why I feel you are going about treatment in a totally wrong way: If you have Peyronie disease, your problem is not that your penis is bent, dented or otherwise distorted; your problem is that you have dense scar tissue within the tunica albuginea layer of the penis that as a secondary factor is causing your penis to be curved, dented or otherwise distorted.
Think of it this way. If you cut yourself shaving, what is the actual problem? Is your problem the blood running down your chin? Or is the problem the hole in your skin that as a secondary factor is allowing blood to leak out of the blood vessels and run down your chin? Certainly the blood gets your attention, but it is not the problem. If you did not have the hole in your skin the blood would not be running down your chin. If I was to offer you a way to wipe your face clean, it would not address the real problem which is the hole in your skin. If I was to offer you something that would help you heal the hole in your skin rapidly you would not have to worry about the blood running down your chin. Certainly when your penis is bent it gets your attention, but it is not the problem.
I emphasize this point because I believe you are seeing Peyronie's disease as being a curved penis, when it is not. Peyronie's disease is a soft tissue condition of the penis in which a fibrous plaque of scar tissue develops excessively for some reason (congenital predisposition, nutritional deficiency, trauma, chemical or hormonal imbalance, drug side-effect, or a combination of some or all these) in the tunica albuginea, which in turn prevents the even and symmetrical expansion of the erection and a few other nasty symptoms.
You ask, “Is this something you recommend? To remove the plaque first and then start using the extender after the plaque has been removed?” The answer is simple: No. If you did something to remove the plaque first, you would not need to use an extender because you would not have Peyronie's disease. With no plaque in the tunica albuginea you would not have a curved penis and there would be no point in using the penis extender unless you are one of those men who believes stretching on the penis will make it bigger – and that is an entirely different topic.
You also ask, “…when the plaque diminished, will it leave an empty area in the flesh, maybe making the curvature worse and the penis shortened?” The short answer is again, no. As a longer explanation: When a pregnant woman delivers a baby, does her abdomen stay stretched out? When a weight lifter stops exercising, does he develop empty areas and voids where the larger muscle tissue used to be? When you over-eat and your stomach and abdomen expand and bulge out, does it stay that way permanently? No, to all of that. All our body tissues are elastic (even bone to a very minimal degree), allowing the removal of unneeded or foreign tissue cells that are eliminated and healed over in the best way the body can accomplish under the circumstance. The body always attempts to return to the most efficient and normal state it can whenever and however possible. In the case of Peyronie's disease the body will attempt to reabsorb the strands of fibrous tissue and heals the tunica albuginea to the best of its ability. In about half of the men who develop Peyronie's disease this attempt at self-repair and self-healing is successful. In the approximate other half, the condition is not healed and becomes more or less permanent.
This tendency of the body to always attempt to return to normal (homeostatis), or self-heal, is the basis of the PDI concept for eliminating the Peyronies disease scar. By presenting to the tissue a wide variety of helpful and supporting vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and naturopathic modalities like moist heat applications, DMSO, gentle manual penis stretching (which is vastly different from your mechanical penis stretching concept), ultrasound and acupuncture therapy, we attempt to support, promote, stimulate and accelerate that ability of the body to eliminate the Peyronie's scar that works in 50% of men and fails in the other 50%. What PDI attempts to do is really not so far fetched or bizarre. We only attempt to assist and promote a natural process that is successful in 50% of men when they eliminate their PD scar without any help from anyone. We are not trying to make pigs fly. The PDI concept of helping PD correction is one of working with the man who has PD so he can do a better job of what he failed to do in the first place.
Another question you pose is, “PD is not just having plaque, but also having one side shorter than the other. Ii is then vital to use an extender so the shortest side can catch up the longest side, right?” You ask that question as though having plaque and having a shortened side of the penis are two separate and distinct problems. I get the impression you believe that the shortened concave side of penis curvature happens independent of the plaque, when that is not the case. It is the presence of the dense fibrous scar that shortens the side of the penis in which it is located, and not the other way around.
To solve the problem of Peyronie's disease the body must eliminate the mass of dense fibrous scar in the tunica albuginea. You cannot eliminate that tissue by stretching or pulling on it. How do I know that? Simple laws of physics governing our universe explains why stretching a penis with a PD scar will not influence that mass of inelastic tissue.
We all have heard the expression many times, “A chain will break at its weakest link.” We all intuitively understand what that means. When a stretching or traction force is applied to a series in which there are stronger or stiffer areas as well as weaker or more flexible areas, the weaker or flexible parts or areas will give way, break down, fail or somehow give up before the stronger parts or stronger areas. In war: when the enemy attacks, the weaker part of a battle line will give in before the stronger part of a battle line. Toilet paper and postage stamps: when the paper is pulled the area of paper that has been weakened by the small perforation holes will tear before the non-perforated paper has a chance to tear. Tires on a car: the softer the tire, the more it will absorb the vibration energy of a rough ride, and the harder the tire the more it will pass the energy of a rough road to your body. There are countless examples of the idea that a weaker, thinner or more flexible area will absorb energy before a stronger, thicker or more rigid part is able to do so. This is why a chain will break at its weakest link. What does this have to do with Peyronie’s disease?
The PD scar is thicker and stronger than normal skin and corpora cavernosa tissue of a penis. When a traction force is applied to the penis, the normal elastic corpora cavernosa and skin tissue will absorb the energy of the traction force as it stretches out before the inelastic scar tissue has a chance to stretch – the scar will not get a chance to get stretched because the healthy penis tissue will absorb the energy as it stretches first. Don’t believe me? Do this experiment. Find three rubber bands– two that are thin and stretchy and one that is thicker and heavier than the two thin rubber bands. Loop these three rubber bands together in a series, placing the two thin stretchy rubber bands at the ends and the thick heavy one in the middle. Now hold this series of rubber bands at the two ends and pull on it so you are stretching the whole thing out to make them all longer. Notice that all movement and stretch is coming from the two thin stretchy rubber bands that are at the ends, and no movement or stretch is taking place in the thick rubber band in the middle. Only when you stretch so far that the two thin rubber bands are near their breaking point and are ready to snap, will the thick rubber band in the middle begin to move a little. If you continue to pull, one of the thin bands will break before the thick band has stretched only a small amount. This will happen every time. Thus, when you pull on a flaccid penis that has Peyronie’s disease you cannot stretch the thick fibrous scar tissue because the normal elastic skin and deeper corpora cavernosa tissue will absorb the traction force to do all the stretching just like the thick and thin rubber bands looped together.
In Peyronie's disease any apparent inequality of length is caused by unequal expansion of the corpora cavernosa due to the presence of the dense fibrous scar material within the tunica albuginea. The dense and inelastic scar prevents full expansion of the erect penis, and perhaps only a minor amount of actual contraction of the tunica albuginea. When I work with men who have been successful in reducing or eliminating the their PD scar material their curved penis returns partially or completely back to normal depending on how much scar elimination occurs. I am told for some the scar elimination is complete and for others only partial; when I treated my own Peyronie's disease in 2002 it was complete elimination of the PD scar. No mechanical penis stretching is done and no mechanical penis stretching is needed. In 2006 a research project was undertaken during which we devised and perfected a gentle manual penis stretching method that works completely unlike and contrary to the concepts presented in the mechanical penis stretchers. Additionally, I find that lost penis length and girth that occurs is a result of fibrous infiltration of the tunica albuginea and this often improves to the degree the body is successful in its attempt to remove this foreign fibrous tissue, owing to the natural tendency of the body to heal itself when given the opportunity.
Your last question about what Peyronie's treatment plan I recommend for you is the most difficult and also easiest one to answer. Since I am not your treating doctor I can only advise you as I advise all other men who come looking for help in starting self-treatment. I suggest you use the largest and most aggressive plan of treatment that you can sustain for at least 3-4months while you follow the PDI concepts of Peyronie's treatment that supports and encourages your body to eliminate this terrible scar material. If you decide to do so, you might use the gentle manual penis stretching technique as part of that effort.
I appreciate your hard work, earnest effort and sincere desire to rid yourself of your Peyronie's disease. You are like many men I deal with daily. I commend you for not accepting your problem and encourage you do all you can to heal your problem. If I can help you in any way, please let me know. TRH
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Thank you for a detailed answer.
I should have explained how I injured my penis resulting in Peyronie’s disease back in Jan 2010; The band was not just too hard, my penis was erect. And, the band was tightened more on the right side, having the upper part of the penis to be set wrong, as it was twisting to the right.
I made a little twist, which then also made the injury just beneath the glans on the left side. Today I can actually see the Peyronie’s disease scar, as the wound very likely just injured the outer layer.
Therefore I would also like to paste some sentences from the support of the penis extender product:
“If you tighten the silicone band too much the only thing you are going to get is get hurt. It is a common misconception to believe that the tighter the band is the better the stretch will be. But it is a mistake, you will only get hurt if you tighten the band more. Since the pressure is not what determines the stretching, but the traction, and the traction increases as you add rods to the device.”
As an answer to your critic about using the extender for 9 hours each day; Everyone has to take a 5-10 min break after 1,5-2 hours use. That + using the stretcher properly, meaning not having the band too tight and to use a foam etc, should be done so the whole penis gets enough oxygen and blood circulation.
The latter was not the problem for me, but my incident described above. Which then was the cause of my Peyronie’s Disease made just below my left glans.
You wrote: “I get the impression you believe that the shortened concave side of penis curvature happens independent of the plaque, when that is not the case. ” You also wrote: “With no plaque in the tunica albuginea you would not have a curved penis…” Which also makes me think that a decrease in the curvature is the best indicator for a decrease in the plaque?
As I probably have congenital curvature, I don`t think your explanation can be applied to me here. I may have had Peyronie’s Disease before the incident in Jan 2010, but I know it has been a bit curvy my whole life, which I believe is congenital.
As I understand, congenital curvature is probably more difficult to straighten out than a Peyronie’s Disease ?? As there is not any scar in those ones, but just having more flesh on one of the sides ??
Regarding your explanation of stretching weak and strong parts, I suppose I agree with you. But from a study only using a penis stretcher (any special nutrions is not mentioned at all in the study), the stronger part / the plaque has actually been stretched and decreased; “A XXXXXXXX was fitted and used daily as instructed. C was seen in clinic after three months
and the fibrotic plaque had lengthened and decreased in width, while the penis itself had lengthened
by approximately 1.2cm. The patient reported that the curvature had decreased by approximately 20°.
He was seen again at six months and improvements had continued with a further increase in length of
1.52cm, plus a decrease in the size of the plaque.
Ex. 2: “The extenders was used for a period of four months wearing the device four hours per day. Penile length on commencement was 5.5cm and a 3mm fibrotic area was felt on the dorsal aspect of the penis. At a four month review the penis measured 6.86cm and the plaque was reduced to 2mm. The patient reported that the deviation was 50% improved and he was extremely pleased with the results. He continues to wear the device until next his next review.”
If all these results and studies are completely true, the plaques is not just decreased, but the curvatures too.
I stopped using the device, as it is speculated that the plaque limits the potential growth in length. So when it is decreased or gone, I will again try to make it longer with an extender.
Though, with a congenital curvature, thinking about weaker and stronger parts, is there any complications for me to think about when stretching it with an extender?
I would also like to mention that it is said to be possible to adjust the tension of the sides.
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