Do I start with the penis stretching CD to treat my Peyronie's disease?

Hi Doctor.

I am Abduallah Adi from Palestine, I am 20 yrs old. Six months ago I had Peyronie’s disease because I was wearing a very tight underwear and I went to a urologist and told me it is PD. He gave me vitamin E and Antibiotic only.

My penis hurts me and it almost 30 degrees upward.

Now I visit your site and I don't know what to buy. Do I start with the stretching or what please help me.

I am waiting your response.

Greetings Abduallah,

Over the years I have encountered several men whose Peyronie's disease started with the prolonged compression caused by wearing tight clothes of any type. It is not the most common way to get injured and develop Peyronies disease, but it does happen.

Vitamin E is an important Peyronie's treatment but it must be a very high quality natural vitamin E product; you cannot use just any kind of vitamin E. Also, when used by itself vitamin E tends to not have enough affect on the body to promote tissue repair; it must be combined with other therapies for greatest effectiveness.

The gentle PDI Manual Penis Stretching Method CD is not intended to be used by itself; all PDI products are intended to be used together for greatest benefit. You cannot play the piano and call yourself an orchestra – you need violins, drums, trumpets and many other instruments to complete the sound of an orchestra. It is the same with PD treatment. It is necessary to supply everything needed for tissue repair and healing – delivered to the body all at the same time – to provide the boost and support needed for successful recovery from Peyronie's disease. The gentle PDI Manual Penis Stretching technique is only one part of what you might need to eliminate the Peyronie's plaque and reverse your curved penis. Some men who try using only the PDI stretching method have made small changes in their bent penis problem, but only after adding in the necessary other elements do they begin to get the large improvement they need.

Instead of using only the manual penis stretching technique, I suggest you use the largest Peyronies treatment plan you can afford to stay on for 2-3 months. During this time you will work to give your body the opportunity to heal and repair the Peyronie's plaque that is causing your bent penis.

Please go to the Peyronies treatment ordering page, found by clicking on the blue button at the top of the right sidebar. Any of the treatment plans you will find on this page can be effective, but we find that the larger and more aggressively applied plans work better than those that are smaller and only casually used. TRH

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What should be the natural Peyronie's disease treatment?

Dear Dr. Herazy,

This is Arbind from India. I am 65 year old.

My penis bends about 30 degree lowered and lean towards left, may be 10 degree. It happens during erection or sex. I am still sexually active. No other problem.

What should be the natural treatment?

Best regards,

ARBIND


Greetings Arbind,

Assuming you have been to a doctor and you were formally diagnosed with Peyronie's disease, I suggest you attempt to use the largest Peyronies treatment plan you can afford to stay on for 2-3 months. During this time you will work to give your body the opportunity to heal and repair the Peyronie's plaque that is causing your bent penis.

Please go to the Peyronies treatment ordering page found by clicking on the large blue button that says “Click here for store” found at the top of the right sidebar. Any of the treatment plans you will find on this page can be effective, but we find that the larger and more aggressively applied plans work better than those that are smaller and only casually used. TRH

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Questions about straightening a congenital penis curvature

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My Name is Tomas and i am a 25 year old male from Sweden. We have spoken on the phone previously but i am afraid that my written English is better then my spoken. I have also, very recently, submitted a question but i am not sure it got registered correctly so i take the opportunity of writing a new one and adding some additional information and text if that is alright with you.

My penis, who i am overall pleased with, have always had a slight downward curved. Probably less then an average banana. It is not Peyronies disease but what you call Congenital curvature. Although this is yet to cause me any problems while having intercourse (i believe some of the girls i have been with have not even noticed it), i can't help to feel a bit self conscious about it. I think it looks unattractive compared to a completely straight penis and since i am quite of the 'ladies man' if i may say so my self, i thought to my self that it's time to get it straight. It would feel really good to just relax and enjoy sex without having to worry about my appearance.

First of all, i have to praise your dedication to the subject. I believe such attitude and respect as yours towards the patients are rare and something i hold in a very high regard.

Now, i know that your programs are generally more directed towards treating Peyronies disease – but i'm also of the impression that it can help a congenital curved penis as well. While searching the Internet, i have stumbled upon countless of alternative treatments but yours is the first which i feel confident might help me and feels “serious”.

So, my question is.

What is recommended for treating a congenital downward curve as effectively as possible? Should you add some supplement or is stretching enough? If so, what program?

And i also wondered what videos are possible to be sent to me by email and how that is arranged. The shipping costs to Sweden was really expensive – and i would also like to keep my little project a secret from my roommates.

Kind Regards
(And sorry for possible bad grammar)

Tomas
Sweden 🙂

Greetings Tomas,

Your English is wonderful and in fact better than some of native English speaking people I sometimes encounter. You are to be congratulated. And thank you for the kind words about the work I do with PDI.

When the Peyronie's Disease Institute Manual Penis Stretching Method was developed and researched in 2006 it was intended to be used for PD, not correction of birth or congenital penis curvature. However, since there are apparently many men like you with a slightly to moderately curved penis they would like to make straighter, we have had perhaps 40-50 men over the years who have used this particular Peyronie's treatment method and have reported success when used according to the detailed instructions found on the CD. What you will find is that on the CD there are several different techniques, a variety of pivot points, as well as different angles and lines of traction to use depending on your particular penis curvature.

In the past I have recommended that these men who want to change a congenitally bent penis use at least Neprinol as the follow the PDI manual penis stretching method. This should work to increase the effectiveness of treatment. A bit more information is available on the PDI website at “Peyronie's Disease Institute Manual Penis Stretching Method.”

The information you want is available only on the CD and has not been made to be downloaded as an attachment to an email. Sorry.

I would be remiss if I would not advise you to be less concerned about the small penis curvature you have. Women are far more tolerant and willing to accept physical variation of the penis than what you would imagine. Attractiveness and beauty are not found in symmetry or sameness of appearance; the value and effectiveness of the penis toward good sex is not found in symmetry or someone's preconceived idea of beauty, but how it is used with kindness, gentleness, a giving spirit, passion and love. Besides that, a bend applies a bit more friction to the vaginal wall for added stimulation. You might be better off curved than straight. TRH

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Is it true nothing can be done for penis shrinkage caused by Peyronie’s disease?

I hurt my penis during sex. At first it had a curve but that went away and instead the penis has shortened drastically.  Sex is no longer achievable and a simple act like urinating into a toilet bowl is a problem because the penis has shrunk so much that I cannot point it at the bowl.  I either have to drop my pants or sit on the toilet and push the penis down to prevent it from urinating at 90 degrees.

I live in South Africa and the urologist has said there is nothing that can be done.  Is this true?

Regards,

Wally

 

Greetings Wally,

The statistics found in medical journals and the internet about penis shrinkage related to Peyronie's disease are variable and of questionable accuracy due to the natural of the problem.  As I remember, the published rate of reduction of Peyronies men who experience penile length and/or girth is said to be 25-50%.  However, based on my conversations and email from men with PD I would put that number easily in excess of 75%.   What you report is not at all uncommon.  It is  a consequence of the excess fibrous tissue build up that causes contraction of the deep soft tissue of the penile shaft, and also can cause distortion, such as a curved penis or an hourglass, bottle neck or dent deformity.

When your urologist told you noting can be done for this problem, he/she should have more accurately said there is nothing that medical practice can do to help you.   There is a lot you can do to help yourself.  If about half of the men who develop Peyronie's disease experience a spontaneous remission or self-cure of this problem, then it is obvious that these men are capable of curing their own problem.   PD is cured half of the time without any outside help by the natural healing process of the body.   The PDI concept for treatment of Peyronie's disease is simply to assist or support that same natural healing process by using a combination of vitamins, minerals, herbs and enzymes and other techniques that allow the body to heal better – to increase the odds that you too can care your PD like you should have in the first place.   Your urologist only says there is nothing that can be done to help you, only because he/she does not have a drug to use for that purpose.  "We do it my way, or no way."  What arrogance. 

Probably the best place for you to start looking for information about Peyronie's treatment using Alternative Medicine is from this link from the Peyronie's Disease Institute, "Start Peyronie's treatment."  

Believe me, you would be shocked to learn the number of MDs who contact me from around the world about using Alternative Medicine and the PDI approach to Peyronies treatment when one of them develops PD.    Drugs and surgery are for patients, and when one of them has a bent penis they they suddenly want to be very conservative with what they do.  TRH

More questions about Peyronie’s disease and a congenitally curved penis

Hello Dr Herazy,

I posted the congenital vs Peyronies curvature question that you recently answered. Thank you for your in depth answer but I have a couple follow ups regarding one of your response.

You said you've had a number of congenitally curved men that have improved with the manual stretching + enzymes… if there is no scar tissue in the congenital penis curve, and it is instead caused by two differing sizes of the corpora cavernosa chambers, then how do these stretching + enzymes work? What are those therapies actually doing to help straighten the penis? Since they're obviously not helping to break down any scar tissue as there's none there in the first place as with a congenital curve.

The whole pd vs congenital thing is still quite confusing & nebulous to me. Yes, I can recall a curve even as a young child, which points to congenital. A downward curve, like mine, seems to be fairly common among congenital as well. But at the same time my erections have firmed up due to the manual stretching and the curve seems to improve almost daily with the PDI method of penis stretching. Which seems more related to Peyronie's disease. I'm not sure how that would happen if it were congenital unless I'm somehow stretching not scar tissue but the actual corpora cavernosa chambers.

Also, the congenital improvements reported to you. Are the improvements they report mild, small? Is improvement common, rare? Comparable to the more successful PD responses that seem to be quite common with the PDI therapies? And it's that you simply haven't had a large enough sample of men with a congenitally curved penis to use the treatments to say definitively whether they work for them or not as a whole? Any indication they show more difficult to correct than a PD distortion?

Lots of questions, I know. But I think it's important that people in my position have as much info as they can.

Thank you.

A.

 

Greetings again A,

Thank you for your thoughtful follow up questions.

Living tissue (animal or plant) is rather plastic, meaning its shape can be changed within certain limits – the tree that grows around and engulfs the barbed wire fence, African native women who compress their shoulders by forcing them down with brass rings around her neck, young Japanese girls whose feet are compressed by tight binding, ancient Mongolian warriors whose foreheads were flattened to look fierce and warlike, the contortionist whose joints are made preternaturally flexible, even I suppose the old joke about the cowboy whose legs eventually become bow-legged in response to years of riding a horse.  We see around us evidence that otherwise normal tissue can and does change its shape when gentle force is applied over a long time.

It does not take a great amount of imagination to envision also altering and equalizing the small size discrepancy that exists between the right and left corpora cavernosae in men with a simple congenital penile curvature, making it straighter by reducing the internal asymmetry.   Time, persistence and a light touch that does not provoke innate resistance to change is all that are needed.  These changes take place using the PDI process of using gentle manual stretching simply because the method is based on so many examples that occur in nature around us.

My theory is that the systemic enzymes assist the tissue remodeling that occurs during the gentle penis stretching process.  The manual stretching initiates a signal to the brain to change the tissue in question on a cellular level.   The fibrinolytic enzymes on the PDI website would assist that process by remodeling the fibrin of the soft tissue layers as they are being gently stretched.    Keep in mind that tissue remodeling goes on after each and every wound and injury you sustain.  The body is engineered to remodel tissue as part of the healing process.  All you are doing with the PDI technique I present is to gently focus that process to your curved penis.

You ask about “small’ or “mild” curves.  What exactly is your definition of a small curve?  Any man who tells me his curve is small or large, mild or severe, is taken with a grain of salt because what do these terms mean?   What would be a small curve to one man could easily be a large curve to another.  This is part of the difficulty in communicating with people through the written word.  Trying to be as accurate and objective as possible, I usually ask the men I work with for a description of their congenital curve this way: Is your penis curved less than, more than, or about the same as, the average banana?   The answer I am given provides a fairly good idea of what we are dealing with.  For your information, the great majority of men who I work with say their congenitally curved penis is about like a banana.  A few say less, rarely more.

Men do not offer reports frequently or well, offering very limited information about their condition or progress.  I spend a lot of time giving information to men, and receiving only a small amount of information from them in return.   The reports I receive back could be called seldom or rare, and are often limited to “my curve is gone,” "it’s really a lot better,” or “after a few weeks my bend is maybe half gone.”  The terms are almost always broad, general, and not as detailed as I would like them to be.  When I ask for further clarification or details, I seldom receive a reply.  Most of the time when I hear back from a man to whom I provide help, it is to say that there has been improvement; rarely do I hear that the problem did not improve at least to some degree.  Women will tell you that men do not discuss this problem of a bent penis very much; I know this is true.  I think that when a man gets this problem, shall we say “straightened out,” he wants to forget about it and put it far behind him.  The last thing he wants to do is discuss his previous deformity in detail.  TRH

How can I tell the difference between Peyronie’s disease and a congenitally curved penis?

Dr Herazy,

I do not know if I my curvature is PD related or congenital. What are some of the signs that point to a congenital curve versus a PD distortion? It's frustrating because my condition seems to exhibit signs of both congenital and PD. I'm sure seeing a urologist is required to say for sure but even then apparently some will misdiagnose simply because they can't find the scar tissue present in PD. So, even that avenue doesn't seem to be a sure fire way of knowing 100%.

We know that PD is caused by an excess of scar tissue buildup in the tunica albuginea due to physical trauma to that area. But what causes the distortion in the congenital curvature? Is it an excess of scar tissue one is "born with"? If not, what would cause a penis to curve in dramatic fashion (35º- 45º downward) w/o scar buildup? To me that would seem to be an exceedingly rare condition to be born with. I could see a 5º, even 10º curve but 45º is a heck of a curve to be born with. If a congenital curve has no scar tissue, how do the PDI therapies treat it in that case since there would be no scar tissue to heal?

Secondly, if one does have a congenital curve, does the treatment for it change in any way from that of a PD distortion? How successful are your PD therapies at treating congenital curvature and do you even intend on doing a full study on this?

As you can tell, not knowing for certain whether my curvature is PD or congenital, I have quite a few questions regarding the both of them. Please help me make sense of the differences and their subsequent treatment.

Thank you.

 

Greetings,

Thank you for the great question. 

Probably the answer to your question is found with the easiest and most fundamental observation that you can make.   The basic difference between a penis that is bent due to Peyronie's disease and one that is congenitally curved penis is time.  When did you first notice that your penis is not straight?  

If you have always noticed, even as a young boy, that your erect penis is bent then you probably have a congenital curvature of the penis

If you have only recently noticed that your previously straight (or almost straight) erect penis is suddenly curved or distorted in some way, then you probably have a bent penis due to Peyronie's plaque that has altered the ability of penis to expand fully.

Usually, a congenital penis curvature is not accompanied by pain, while a recent case of Peyronie's disease can be painful.   Further, a congenital penis curvature is not accompanied by a palpable nodule or mass of fibrous tissue, while a recent case of Peyronie's disease will demonstrate plaque formation.  This plaque formation is not always easily located, so it can be deceptive to make a diagnosis of PD based solely on the ability to locate this foreign tissue.

In congenital curvature there is no scar material in the shaft.  The curvature in this case is simply due to corpora cavernosa chambers that are not of equal size or dimensions.   Just like you might have ears that are not the same size or shape, or large toes, or thumbs, the body is not always symmetrical.   

I do not have a lot of information about congenital curvature responding to the PDI treatment protocol because men simply do not report this kind of information back to me.  I can tell you that over the years I have a number of men say that the gentle manual penis stretching technique coupled with a good dose of systemic enzymes like Neprinol made a difference with their congenitally bent penis.  TRH

What can I do about my curved penis?

Ive had a bent penis since I was a young man and I've always assumed it was Peyronies, but now I'm not so sure.    I've tried everything I can think of I've tried using stretchers like the Size Genetics device and I'm just about to my wits end.   I just want this gone because I' so embarrassed and ashamed by my penis that I'm scared to talk to women out of fear.  I just need some information and mostly guidance on how to treat this problem that has caused me problems and embarrassment all my life.  If you could guide me and tell me what to do I would be grateful.

 

Greetings,

The first thing to do is to determine if you have Peyronie's disease or not. Please get a medical examination to determine the cause of your problem.  If it happens that you do have Peyronie's disease this website is full of useful information about helping your body to heal and repair as it should do normally.  A good place to start is "Peyronie's treatment help starts here."

The fact that your mechanical penis stretcher did not help you does not tell me anything, because this idea of forced stretching of a bent penis is incorrect.   You cannot forcefully stretch a bent penis to make it straight by using force, if the curved penis is due to Peyronies disease or if it is curved because you were born that way.  Either way forceful penis stretching will not work.   See How to straighten a curved penis

For ideas how to help yourself please see "Penis stretching for Peyronie's disease." 

Lastly, your question is filled with comments about fear and embarrassment because of your bent penis.  I believe you are punishing and  limiting yourself for no good reason.  Women tend to be far more generous and kind than we men; they tend to be compassionate and understanding in ways that men generally have a difficult time matching.  For this reason i believe you are making a greater problem for yourself than is necessary.  You need to understand women better in regard to sexual matters and you need to understand yourself better, as well.  Please get my book "Peyronie's Disease and Sex" that will explain all of this to you and help you see yourself in a better light.   TRH

Would a Peyronie’s scar on the surface have the same affect as if it were underneath?

I have curvature to the left side and don't feel any bump or Peyronies plaque. I know this means the Peyronies scar can be too small or too large and flat and I've also read that it won't be on the surface of the skin. However, I do see a few little things that appear to be surface scars where my curve starts. Why wouldn't a scar on the surface of the skin have the same effect as if it were underneath?  Don't all scars share the same characteristic of not being flexible?

 

Greetings,

No, a Peyronie's scar on the surface would not have the same affect as if it were underneath.

Yes, all scar formation within the body shares the fact that a greater amount of collagen and fibrin fibers is present that is not as elastic and pliable as normal skin.

Even so, the location of the scar or plaque material does make a difference.  It is the hydraulic tension or over-filling with blood within the two corpora cavernosae of the shaft that creates the hardness and expansion of an erection.  Each corpora cavernosum is covered by the tunica albuginea (which is normally also elastic)  but will not expand as it should when the Peyronie's plaque is present within the tunica. The external skin layer does not participate in that response of creating the erection, even though it does to a degree also expand; even when erect the external layer of skin of the shaft is not especially tight or overly stretched. Only if these were extremely large in comparison to the overall size of the shaft would an external scar cause a distortion  of an erection.

I cannot comment on what you refer to as the few little things that appear to be scars on the surface of the shaft.   A scar on the surface of the shaft skin not have the same effect as if it were underneath because no blood is trapped in the skin; there is no anatomical mechanism for it to happen.  It is the trapping of blood that creates the hydraulic effect, and this takes place only in the corpora cavernosae and nowhere else.

It might be helpful to you to review some basic penile anatomy on the PDI website at "Peyronie's anatomy of the penis and related areas"  and  "Tunica albuginea and Peyronie's disease."

If you are unable to find the Peyronie's plaque that is causing your distortion, I suggest that you arrange for a telephone discussion and I will work with you to help you locate it.  It is essential to good treatment results that you know about the size, location, density and surface features of the scar that is causing your bent penis.   TRH

Doubts he has Peyronie’s disease because he does not have a curved penis

Dear Dr. Herazy,

I have done a lot of reading on your website and am really confused, as to whether I am or I am not a patient of PD.

About a fortnight back, I have felt hardening of a vein, about 1-2 inch of it, below the penis skin, near its root.  However, as on date, I have not felt any curvature of Penis, neither in normal penis, nor while erect.  However, I do feel that I have lost Libido and do feel a little pain, at the point of hardened portion.   Moreover, I do feel that I am not able to maintain Erection, once the intercourse starts and unable to continue strokes.

My Urologist have diagnosed me with Peyronie's plaque and have recommended a daily dose of Vitamine-E cap. 400 mg plus Inj. Kenacort 40 mg +Inj.  Hyalase 1 amp (IV) – weekly for 6 wks.

After going through your website, I assume there could be some side effects of IV injections and would request you to suggest some alternate medicines, to address this issue of "Peyronie's Plaque".

I am a Govt. servant of 50 yrs, 5.5 Ft. height and about 72 Kg weight.

Anil Jain

Greetings Anil,

I must ask why you are confident what you find is actually a hardened vein, and not a Peyronie's plaque since your urologist has already diagnosed you have Peyronies disease.  Many plaques are long and narrow, like a vein. You can certainly have PD and not have a penile curvature at this time; it might develop in the near or distant future; some men never develop a curved penis because the plaques they have are balanced and do not pull the penis excessively to one side or the other. Reduced libido and reduced sexual performance are common to PD. 

Penile injections sometimes cause Peyronie's disease due to injury to the delicate tunica tissue of the shaft.  Having drug injections to treat Peyronies carries a certain level of risk; many MDs who come to me when they develop their own cases of Peyronies refuse to have drug injections into the penis for this reason.  You should talk to your doctor about this. 

Taking solo treatment of synthetic vitamin E is probably not going to help you.  You must use a combination of various therapies as outlined in the PDI website if you hope to impact your ability to treat your problem successfully.  TRH 

Why isn’t Neprinol included in the medium Peyronies treatment plan?

Dr.Herazy,

I have started using the medium plan.   I noticed, however, from your response to a question about Neprinol that you thought that Neprinol was more focused than Fibrozym and Nattokinase.  If this is so, why isn't Neprinol included in the medium plan?

Thank you for your response.

 

Greetings,

There always seems to be some question about Neprinol when used in Peyronie's treatment.   Here is something that I copied from the PDI website that you might have missed along the way that will explain my thinking about Neprinol in the initial plan usage:

 

"Hey, wait a minute!  I do not see NEPRINOL in any of these plans!  Why do you have Fibrozym and Nattokinase 1500 in these plans and not Neprinol?"   

"Neprinol is not included in the PDI Small, Medium or Large Plans for two reasons:

     "1.  Neprinol is more powerful than Fibrozym and Nattokinase 1500.  It contains the same enzymes as Fibrozym and Nattokinase 1500 – at perhaps 10-12 times greater bioactive activity.  It also contains different kinds of enzymes that are not found in Fibrozym and Nattokinase 1500.  So, Neprinol is more concentrated and has a greater variety of enzymes than these other products.  Therefore, based on my experience since 2002 with men who are treating their Peyronie's bent penis, we have learned it is better to start treatment with the less intense and concentrated enzymes of Fibrozym and Nattokinase 1500 to get accustomed to the action of these enzymes; it is easier on the body and men have less diarrhea this way.   When you re-order the 1st or 2nd time you can then slowly introduce Neprinol into your treatment plan.

     "2.  Cost.  Because the bottle of Neprinol contains 300 capsules of more powerful and concentrated enzymes, as compared to 100 capsules in the other products, Neprinol costs more.  Therefore, after almost seven years experience working with men who are treating their Peyronies disease, we have found that men feel more comfortable keeping costs down when getting started.  The first order is the most expensive, and this is appreciated by men just starting who want to see how the suggested PDI plans work."

I will usually suggest to men that after being on your plan for a few weeks or few months, or whenever you are comfortable adding Neprinol to your plan, that you do so.  Many men will later use Neprinol as the primary source of systemic enzymes in their plan, but also keep a few Nattokinase 1500 and Fibrozym in their plans as secondary or minor sources of systemic enzymes. 

When I was actively treating my Peyronies I took all three products, but with a greater emphasis on the Neprinol.  I do not think you must necessarily do it this way for you to be successful; I did it just to cover my bases and to keep my tissue as saturated as possible with the enzymes.

Peyronie's disease is a tough and terrible thing to happen to a man.  It takes dedication and persistence to overcome it.   It is never easy to overcome, but always worthwhile.  

The biggest advantage in ordering your therapy products from PDI is that we provide a high level of service and background information specific to the problem of PD that you will not receive from anyone else.   Each product you order from PDI comes with all the information you will need to you it correctly to treat your Peyronie's disease. You cannot expect that kind of vital information from any other source.   TRH